TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS: Well it’s actually been really nice and affirming. I mean, so for every masked lunatic in front of my house there have been you know, a 100 people some of whom I don’t agree with politically, calling or sending texts of support and kindness and it’s just a reminder of what a really nice country it is.
And if you work in our businesses, you know you can lose sight of that because you see the lunatics but you know most people are not lunatics, most people are humane and decent and kind and it’s just been a great reminder of that and really a wonderful experience.
But what’s it like to find out that your wife is hiding in the pantry because people are threatening her? I mean, it’s upsetting and I guess, I would say this, I mean, I’ve characterized the Antifa people and people like them as protesters but they’re not I mean they weren’t protesting anything.
The irony is that you know this is the one show that regularly invites people like that on–
KILMEADE: I know.
CARLSON: –to say what they think and if you have a point of view that we disagree with, we – you know I’ll debate you but I still want to hear it because I think people should hear it and but they weren’t trying to change my mind or advocate for a position. They were threatening my family to get me to stop talking.
And obviously I’m not going to because it’s my job to talk and I have the support of Fox news and I’m grateful for that but then you think of all the people, most people in this country who don’t have that lucky combination of circumstances and they really feel like they have to shut up, that they can’t say what they think because they’ll be punished.
I mean, this has a chilling effect on people’s ability to speak and to think freely, that’s the point, it’s totalitarian in its intent and we should fight it.
KILMEADE: So, there’s a couple things going on, you have your career, you have your opinions, are you going to change your answers? Absolutely no and this might be I guess, retro or sexist to say this but as a head of your household in many respects traditionally, don’t you feel a responsibility to protect those who live with you, like your wife, like your family?
What is it like? What did she do as they were banging on your door, spray painting your driveway and shouting outside your house and this is more than a dozen people in black outfit? Where was she?
CARLSON: She was in the kitchen and let me say you know, if we find ourselves in a country where men aren’t allowed to say they want to protect their wives you know, I don’t want to live in that country, that’s totally sick and unnatural. So of course, I feel that obligation, it’s my deepest obligation and I feel it.
So, I got a bunch of texts from people, my neighbors saying something terrible is going on in your house. And by the time I called, my wife had the police and my brother there. My brother, I have a very large brother who lives a couple blocks away, thank heaven.
And we’re close so he was there immediately but so she standing in the kitchen waiting to go out to dinner and people start pounding and on the door, really getting the door hard and screaming and threatening and she thought it was a home invasion.
I mean, the truth is my wife even though she’s married to me is not very political and not – I mean we live in Washington which is – and we raised our four children in Washington, it’s not – believe it or not, a very political environment.
People don’t talk about politics at dinner, there’s kind of a gentleman’s agreement to be nonpartisan and so she’s not engaged in this stuff. I’m not sure she knew who Antifa was. She didn’t do anything wrong. Why are they screaming at her? I mean the whole thing was completely grotesque and the effect is to make it you know impossible to like open your mail.
I mean one thing they did, I think the worst thing that they did was they put my home address on the internet and they put a poster right in front of my house with my home address on it and they filmed it, they taped it and they put the tape on the internet so.
You know I can’t have my kids stay home alone now and I’m a normal person. I live in a normal neighborhood. I’m not a talk show host trying to get off the year, I’m a father. I don’t want to have those battles in my personal life. I don’t think most people do and now they brought it right to my house and it’s – I don’t want to whine, I’m not a victim, I’m a happy person.
But either you can see why I wouldn’t like that and why I feel threatened by it and why I think that this is a threat to free expression to all of us and I mean that.
KILMEADE: I agree and also we should, according to the story, the reports, your brother’s address is up there too, right?
CARLSON: Oh, they put my brother’s address up, they put my college roommates address up, my best friend who lives down the street from me, who I started `The Daily Caller’ with, who is like my brother, has nothing to do with any of this.
And they put both of their home addresses up, my college roommate was on a trip you know, his wife is home with their little kids and he’s got to get the police over there. My brother has a family too. I mean the whole thing is completely crazy and I should say just for the record that I would guess that the overwhelming majority of my neighbors are Democrats, probably don’t agree with the single thing I think.
But all of them are appalled by this. I mean we lose sight again of the fact that the country is overwhelmingly normal people who don’t think this is acceptable and our conversation publicly has been hijacked by extremists like this and I worry that if we don’t stand up to them and say, I’m sorry, this is not allowed, you can’t threaten people into silence.
The rest of us are very passive in the face of this like I think we know who these people are. In fact, I think one of the people screaming at my wife last night has been a guest on our show.
CARLSON: So, these are semi-public people – yes and I can’t prove that, we’re going to find out. But I’m thinking to myself two things, if you have something to say, you’re always welcome to come back on and say it. Again, he doesn’t want to say it, he does want to convince you.
CARLSON: He wants to scare you into shutting up but second why are the rest of us sitting back and allowing speech to be squelched like this. I mean nobody is for this really other than a tiny minority of people and yet they have control. How did we get here?
KILMEADE: Because they got away with it and I’m going to add this Tucker. So, you hear Antifa, you know we cover this every single day, you saw the bike racks being thrown, you saw the bricks being put through Starbucks’ windows. These people, they yell, they scream and they’re violent so that’s got to really weigh in your mind. So, we’ve seen them in action before.
CARLSON: Well, they’re absolutely violent. I mean, you know, I don’t want to pretend to be the tough guy. I’m not a tough guy but I mean, I’ve been doing this a long time and I’m not personally – I don’t feel threatened physically.
But you know, I have five other people in my house and maybe they do and that’s the point so if I’m walking down the street and someone comes up and says you know, I violently disagree with you.
Okay, you know, let me hear about it but to do this is a form of intimidation so why are we describing it as a protest. It’s a protest in the sense that when the mafia tells your store owner you know, I’d hate to have this place destroyed.
That’s not a protest, it’s a threat.
CARLSON: And that’s what this is.
KILMEADE: Hey Tucker, you’re supposed to be on vacation. I appreciate you joining us. If anybody wants to know talk is going to be intimidated, watch his A block, that’s the beginning of the show when he comes back.
You just as – I have a hunch, you’re not going to be pulling back.
CARLSON: Thank you Brian for capably filling in. I appreciate it.
KILMEADE: Okay, Tucker Carlson, thanks, please go back to your vacation wherever it might be. Meanwhile 11 minutes now after the hour. Victor Davis Hanson, one of the deepest thinkers, respected thinkers out there. He’s a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institute and he joins us right now.