Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) asked why did Dr. Christine Blasey Ford, the woman that accused Supreme Court Associated Justice nominee Brett Kavanaugh, hire an attorney and take a polygraph in August if she was not going to come forward?
“She had plenty of chances to bring it up, she did not,” Graham said. “We’re not going to play this game anymore. We won’t Miss Ford to be heard but clearly to me, in August, she hired a lawyer who’s a very activist lawyer, who does not like President Trump and paid for a polygraph. So, they were thinking about coming forward.”
“Why would you hire a lawyer and take a polygraph in August if you had no desire to come forward?” he asked. “Miss Ford may be the victim of circumstance here, but we’re going to go forward.”
“We’re going to hear her out if she chooses, we’re going to vote on Wednesday,” Graham promised.
From an interview with FOX News’ Martha MacCallum:
MARTHA MACCALLUM, FOX NEWS ‘THE STORY’ HOST: All right, Ed. Thank you very much. Here now, Senator Lindsey Graham, one of the 11 Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Set to do the questioning in next week. Senator, good evening. Good to have you here as always.
SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC): Thank you.
MACCALLUM: So, will there be a hearing on Monday and is that the only opportunity? Is that sort of speak now or forever hold your peace moment?
GRAHAM: Well, here’s the plan is to allow Miss Ford if she chooses to come before the committee next Monday.
GRAHAM: Publicly or privately. I want her to be heard. I don’t want her to be shut out. And if she wants to do it privately, that’s fine with me. Judge Kavanaugh will be given a chance to respond. We’ll listen to what they have to say. Compare everything in the record against a single allegation. And we’ll make our decision, Wednesday.
This is going to go forward, Monday. I think this is eminently fair and what’s happened to Judge Kavanaugh in my view throughout the entire process has been pretty disgusting.
MACCALLUM: So, what I’m hearing is, is it is. It speaks then, or forever hold your peace kind of moment on Monday, is that true?
GRAHAM: Yes, I want her to be heard. But we’re not going to turn the committee over to Democrats. I don’t know anything about Miss Ford. I know it’s a 36-year-old allegation. We can’t tell us when it happened and where it happened.
I know a lot about Judge Kavanaugh that speaks that he is not the kind of guy to do this. But she deserves to be heard, and she will be challenged. Kavanaugh deserves to be heard and be able to defend himself. But if she does not want to come Monday, publicly or privately, we’re going to move on and vote Wednesday.
Well, let me ask you this, do you feel that adequate outreach has been done? We — Senator Grassley, said four e-mails were given to her then there’s some backlash on that saying — you know, her lawyer needs to get a phone call, she needs to get a phone call. Has it been adequate outreach?
GRAHAM: Yes, right. It’s been more than — what’s been inadequate is the fact that the Democrats knew about this allegation July the 6th, the Democratic congresswoman received the anonymous letter July the 30th. Senator Feinstein had the information. She claims that this — that was credible and went to the character of the nominee. She never chose to confront Judge Kavanaugh until Thursday before — Thursday of last week.
She had plenty of chances to bring it up, she did not. We’re not going to play this game anymore. We won’t Miss Ford to be heard but clearly to me, in August, she hired a lawyer who’s a very activist lawyer, who does not like President Trump and paid for a polygraph. So, they were thinking about coming forward.
Why would you hire a lawyer and take a polygraph in August if you had no desire to come forward? Miss Ford may be the victim of circumstance here, but we’re going to go forward. We’re going to hear her out if she chooses, we’re going to vote on Wednesday.
MACCALLUM: Let me ask you this because you raised a question the other night I believe with Sean Hannity.
MACCALLUM: About who paid for the polygraph and who’s paying for the lawyer? Do you think — do you see advocacy lobbyists that work here and is this part of the demand justice organization? What do you know about that?
GRAHAM: We don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure some of this out. The Democrats knew about this for weeks, July, they never raised it in that timely fashion they said on it. They never confronted Judge Kavanaugh. So, that says a lot about their tactics.
Miss Ford hired a lawyer in August and took a polygraph in August. So, it makes it pretty hard for me to believe they never intended for this to come out. Whether Miss Ford intended to come out or not, I don’t know but the people she hired very much intended for it to come out. They are the people who want to sink Kavanaugh and get Trump.
So, you don’t have to be that, that sharp to figure out there’s something going on here. She’ll have her day, Monday if she chooses to come.
MACCALLUM: Let me ask you this because I want to play the rest of the sound bite that I played which was from a commentator on another network. But it raises I think a really important issue here. Because she says, whether or not it actually happened, is not the primary concern. It’s his reaction to her pain. Let’s play this.
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COX: We need to judge Brett Kavanaugh not just on what he may or may not have done but how he treats a woman’s pain. And that is something I’m in paying attention to on Monday. How does he respond to what is happening, whether or not he agrees that this happened with her? Does he take her pain seriously?
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MACCALLUM: I think that’s shocking because I’m watching this whole thing very closely, I think it matters whether or not it happened. I mean, I can’t really imagine anything more important than whether or not it happened to both of these individuals.
GRAHAM: Well, let’s step back a bit and look at the evidence so that we have about Judge Kavanaugh and women. It’s pretty impressive record of hiring women, of having a lot of women step forward that he worked with, that he’s mentored, that he went to school with, that he dated coming forward saying this is a good man.
The allegations that I’ve heard about here recently did not fit the man that I know. But, you got to realize this, what about Judge Kavanaugh, this is trying to ruin his life here. He’s been accused of a horrible thing. There is no dating, no date for him to go by, there is no place for him to remember. It’s just a general accusation 36 years old.
And what about his pain? So, I want Miss forward to come forward and tell us what she knows. I’m all for that. Judge Kavanaugh has got a lot of support from women throughout the legal community and everybody he’s interacted with all of his life, they say he’s a good man. I’m going to consider that.
MACCALLUM: Well, and as you say, you want to give her an opportunity on Monday, to come speak her mind and speak her piece. You know, she also has all these people signing letters for her.
MACCALLUM: And vouching for her credibility and her authenticity, as well.
MACCALLUM: So, we’ll see where that goes. Well, in terms of the calls for an FBI investigation, is the FBI in the business of opening investigations into things that are so far in the past that there’s no way that they would be able to proceed towards charges on that issue?
GRAHAM: Well, again you don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out what’s going on here. If you think this was serious enough for the FBI to get involved, why didn’t you raise it July the 30th when you first heard about it?
Why did you set on it for weeks over a month and do nothing about it? Why now do you want an FBI investigation to delay this past the midterms? It gets really was it —
MACCALLUM: But wait, let me — let me just jump in because my question is, the statute of limitations on this is long past. Is that not true?
GRAHAM: This could not be prosecuted in any court in the land.
MACCALLUM: All right. So, is the FBI ever in the business of investigating something that can never see its day in court?
GRAHAM: They don’t investigate state crimes, they don’t investigate things that you can’t prosecute. They do background checks. This information came forward last Thursday.
MACCALLUM: So, it would follow under that category then, potentially.
GRAHAM: Right. So, here is the point. If they really wanted the FBI involved, if they really wanted to find all this information, how they would have told us in July when they had the information? Why are they doing it now to delay the hearing? It’s pretty obvious to me that when they first heard about this, the FBI was the last thing on their mind.
Now, they’re asking for the FBI to investigate to delay the hearing. If you can’t figure that out, you probably shouldn’t be driving.
MACCALLUM: All right. I want to switch subjects with you for just a moment because I watched with great interest is that the bilateral news conference today at the President and the President of Poland. And the issue came up of the potential for a U.S. base in Poland right across the border from Russia.
MACCALLUM: And here is what was said. Watch.
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ANDRZEJ DUDA, PRESIDENT OF POLAND (through translator): I said that I would very much like for us to set up at permanent American bases in Poland which we would call for Fort Trump, and I firmly believe that this is possible.
TRUMP: And I think that it should be pointed out that the president also said and he said it publicly that he would pay the United States. Meaning, Poland would be paying billions of dollars for a base, and we’re looking at that more and more.
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MACCALLUM: Well, you know, beyond the Fort Trump, but chuckle that everybody had there, and the amount that the President sees it as a good potential financial deal for the United States. How do you think Russia perceives that conversation?
GRAHAM: I hope they — I hope they are worried about it. The Polish people are so smart. What a great deal, for America to have a military presence in Poland to protect the good ally and have Poland pay for it. And what a good deal to have it named Fort Trump, and I hope this drives Putin crazy.
If it — if it does, then we’re doing the right thing.
MACCALLUM: All right. It — obviously, you are from the Carolinas, a lot of damage has been done in North Carolina, parts of South Carolina, as well.
MACCALLUM: Are you going to be going to the area tomorrow with the president?
GRAHAM: Yes, I intend to. I don’t know exactly that itinerary our friends in North Carolina got hit really hard. A lot of flooding in South Carolina, the president is been terrific, his whole team has and if he goes to South Carolina, I’ll go with him and I just want to thank them and everybody, all the volunteers for helping us so much. He’s been on top of this from day one.
MACCALLUM: Thank you very much, Senator. Good to see you tonight.
GRAHAM: Thank you.